recommendation!

r0mz wrote:
but just my point was that recomemdation may cause biassness and discrimination

yeah romz.. you're right..
unfortunately i dont think this sysytem will change..
and users are manipulating this situation..and i dont blame them..
especially the part where moderators/admins of forums get selected as admins ..
and like the users voiced that there are many "good" miggers who mail for adminship..

guess we gotta base this on luck then

My goodness i missed so many replies and to think that i neglected this topic...Well

mangoastalavista wrote:Recommendation plays quite a significant role,but its not necessary that one who get recommended will be an admin!!

with the way things are now, do you really expect a normal user out there to believe that?

mangoastalavista wrote:
I'm one of the admin who got selected without any recommendation,

mangoastalavista wrote:
but the thing to observe her is that a user who doesn't have any recommendations can also be an admin like me
(though i had them l8r)

now the main focus is here....

mangoastalavista wrote:
and i did get recommendations from other admins

mangoastalavista wrote:
(though i had them l8r)

its good of you to share your story and be honest about it, unlike some people. But bro, u admitted yourself that you did have the recommendation in the end. Now if you were to review or read my previous posts on this topic thoroughly you would see that i'm speaking for users who do not know about forums nor have the contacts you had, in order for u to archive your goal. You would say, its better to hire someone with that knowledge of yours and also subscribe on forum than a person who knows nothing(gunnjack once said that too, altho no to the same extent, but its similar) now with that, take tareq263 for example, there were no forum in his time of selection, so you wouldn't say he knew much, but look at him now, he's an Admin controller, even though with that background. Now can't that also happen with other normal users?

cristin-14 wrote: Recommendation is not a big part in admin selection

mangoastalavista wrote:And the recommendation thing plays an important role there too

Admins contradicting each other :?

mangoastalavista wrote: a days only recommendation is enough for you to get a job, which is not the case with the mig's selection of admin atleast..

mmmh! I like this point.

mangoastalavista wrote:THIS is how we've been living,so stop scrutinizing the mig's admin selection method.....its not new,its something which is being followed everywhere,wherever you go

uhm bro, example: if life is complicated for u and always brings u problem will u just accept everything and live that way, telling yourself that 'its how life is' or you will persevere in persuit for solutions?

The same with mig team and on my job too, i'll stand for whats right and always express my views, and if my views are always scrutinising them and with valid points then they need to review themselves. Unless you were or they would quote me proving that i'm talking nonsense or lies.

mangoastalavista wrote:THOUGH I personally think,that it shouldn't be like this..

mangoastalavista wrote:lets hope in the near future,mig'll be able to bring a much balanced and justifiable admin selection procedure

You see what i mean, even you yourself disagree with them
and also see their method is unbalanced and biased...So what more can i say, when even an admin can see that

mangoastalavista wrote:but as of now mig can't play a blind game by considering all the admin candidates who've applied and interviewing them..

"considering" would mean "giving them a fair chance too, as the ones that have been recommended by admins", Not "selecting them" but just "a fair chance" for them too...

cristin-14 wrote:Lolies gacollomps, gunnjack, vodo0, tareq263, avinash4u, precious_pious and many more.

I didn't give you any limits, and i believe the board too also gave you many characters to use when replying. So lets keep it going with the "many more" i'm sure some users are curious too....Judging by the "many more" it would mean their amount double the ones you've just mentioned I hope

cristin-14 wrote:Before you even have an interview mig makes an extensive check up on you before they concider you as a candidate.

so extensive so much that it leads them to get multi kickers as admins(Rony002), users on gang(Hacker-baburu), Notorious users who bad mouth others in order to get what they want(ever-after), those with attitude problem and can't handle challenging users(cute yana, playboy69 etc) untrustworthy that they lend their ids to friends(junior mad) kick for friends etc...I can go all day, however thats not the focus. I must admit its very useful...Wouldn't you agree

cristin-14 wrote:And if you dnt pass the requirment nd dnt have a clean history then you dnt get interviewed.

so if thats the case that would mean, in your opinion, the admins would just go haywire are admins who develop that behaviour while with admin powers not something they were doing in the past coz after all if they used to be like that in the past then their history wouldn't be clean. Interesting....

cristin-14 wrote:Why wouldnt mig team want to hear the voices of mig33?

only 'they' can answer that one, coz we are not them and don't know whats going on in their minds

cristin-14 wrote: If you give good ideas on mig33 and hw we can improve it and your posts are good. Y wouldn mig team concider you?

once again, its personal opinion based, no true facts to the statement...Just say "in my personal opinion" first...

stimulus wrote:iv'e never chatted to foxy in private nor did she private me before recommendation i din't even ask her if she wants to be admin.. i knew mig team will do that... it's their "JOB"
and that's the truth!!!
from the 6 S.A users i recommended only foxy got selected.. and that was cause of chat history..

can i ask, Why do you(or any admin) recommend users?

stimulus wrote:agreed there are loop holes in the selection system and it is not fair..
but it's not entirely corrupt..

mmmh another admin admitting i'd be concerned if i were them. However i admire your honesty

stimulus wrote:
admins dont normally post unless it's an attack on them..

why is it so, or is that they see themselves too superior than us, thats exactly the same behaviour they carry in chatrooms hence Cry coz once posted "that people change when they get the admin post"

cristin-14 wrote:
If i had seen his behaviour in rooms im familiar with even though no1 knws im watching. I would ask team to HAVE A LOOK IN HIM.

enigma_1 wrote:@cristin admins never keep an eye on users.They r so busy that they hardly stay in a room for 10-20 mins n i dont think u can judge any person in that little time. so eventually its the admins close ones who are recomended.

thank you very much bro...

lol pup.. master mind as always.. does your mind ever stop working puppy ??

trojan.exe wrote:can i ask, Why do you(or any admin) recommend users? ...

well mig team asked us to forward sudggestions..

trojan.exe wrote:why is it so, or is that they see themselves too superior than us, thats exactly the same behaviour they carry in chatrooms...

no idea why it's so but it's the truth.. most ( not all ) just reply when they feel they have to..

stimulus wrote:

r0mz wrote:
but just my point was that recomemdation may cause biassness and discrimination

yeah romz.. you're right..
unfortunately i dont think this sysytem will change..
and users are manipulating this situation..and i dont blame them..
especially the part where moderators/admins of forums get selected as admins ..
and like the users voiced that there are many "good" miggers who mail for adminship..

guess we gotta base this on luck then

yeah stimy hope a non bias situation as im no frend to any admini

trojan.exe wrote:with the way things are now, do you really expect a normal user out there to believe that?

well yes,they do as we aren't putting forward any false story here

trojan.exe wrote:But bro, u admitted yourself that you did have the recommendation in the end.

ya i had,but it all started with none

trojan.exe wrote:i'm speaking for users who do not know about forums nor have the contacts you hadYou

you speaking about users who want everything on their toes,sorry my friend,i don't think they deserve.. effort is needed,in todays world you need to be different in order to survive.

trojan.exe wrote:its better to hire someone with that knowledge of yours and also subscribe on forum than a person who knows nothing

Now that would be a walk in the park,but sorry life aint a park walk

trojan.exe wrote:tareq263 for example, there were no forum in his time of selection, so you wouldn't say he knew much, but look at him now, he's an Admin controller, even though with that background.

if tareq wouldn't have been selected,then someone else would have been..nothing special.. it had to start.. tareq was quite lucky there

trojan.exe wrote:Now can't that also happen with other normal users?

Can everyone be bill gates??

trojan.exe wrote:example: if life is complicated for u and always brings u problem will u just accept everything and live that way, telling yourself that 'its how life is' or you will persevere in persuit for solutions?

Well sometimes,we've to accept the way it is..(you're exception) because you believe in protestins right from the word go,instead of acting smartly

trojan.exe wrote:i'll stand for whats right and always express my views, and if my views are always scrutinising them and with valid points then they need to review themselves. Unless you were or they would quote me proving that i'm talking nonsense or lies.

good for ya,it all depends on one's thinking,the way you think is the way you perceive things in life

trojan.exe wrote:You see what i mean, even you yourself disagree with them
and also see their method is unbalanced and biased...So what more can i say, when even an admin can see that

In most of the systems,there are more wrongs then rights,it takes time for a change to get implemented

trojan.exe wrote:"considering" would mean "giving them a fair chance too, as the ones that have been recommended by admins", Not "selecting them" but just "a fair chance" for them too...

Fair chance,btw the amount of users applying are so huge that if mig starts giving fair chance to every users,it'll be 2050 or may be more when the first admin will get appointed lol

best regards,
mangoastalavista

enigma_1 wrote:@cristin admins never keep an eye on users.They r so busy that they hardly stay in a room for 10-20 mins n i dont think u can judge any person in that little time. so eventually its the admins close ones who are recomended.

We chat in chatrooms to just because we love mig as each and ever mig user does. We also watch our respective chatrooms with our spy id's. When where on duty its a whole other story. But once adil told me its part of the admins job to find good mig33 users and give them the chance you had

mangoastalavista wrote:

trojan.exe wrote:with the way things are now, do you really expect a normal user out there to believe that?

well yes,they do as we aren't putting forward any false story here

well if they all did believe it then i think we wouldn't have had this much disputes whenever the "recommendation topic" pops up. By the way, just to be clear, No one said yall are lying and neither did we(or should speak for myself and say i ) say its the truth. Its all just questioning and verifying the true facts to your statements which sometimes contradict each other(like yours did with cristin's)

mangoastalavista wrote:

trojan.exe wrote:But bro, u admitted yourself that you did have the recommendation in the end.

ya i had,but it all started with none

Did you or did you not have recommendation? You did, whether it was in the end or begining...

mangoastalavista wrote:you speaking about users who want everything on their toes,sorry my friend, i don't think they deserve..

please explain the underlined line

mangoastalavista wrote:effort is needed,in todays world you need to be different in order to survive.

and emailing contact@mig33.com every week applying, maintaining a good chat history is not effort...Which means getting "admin friends or mig staff" so u can get "recommendation" is this effort we talking about. What effort do u do when someone from inside does all the sticking up for you on the recruiting ppl, if you are being recommended you don't do any effort, you just login and await your interview because everything else is being handled by the person recommending you. Take for instance my dear Stimy's reply explaining about how she recommended foxyv, she just recommended her and Foxyv oblivious to this, she "did no effort", i bet all she saw was just being added by mig staff then the rest was hers...Where is this effort you are talking about? She made it to the interview(and passed) without any effort, and yet u say those who mail everyday and private you frequently asking about how to be admin and details are "showing no effort"

mangoastalavista wrote:

trojan.exe wrote:its better to hire someone with that knowledge of yours and also subscribe on forum than a person who knows nothing

Now that would be a walk in the park,but sorry life aint a park walk

now thats the advantage of having to quote someone, you can be able to manipulate his/her words to be what you want it to be. However let me explain this portion for u, Here's what i wrote:-

trojan.exe wrote:Now if you were to review or read my previous posts on this topic thoroughly you would see that i'm speaking for users who do not know about forums nor have the contacts you had, in order for u to archive your goal. You would say, its better to hire someone with that knowledge of yours and also subscribe on forum than a person who knows nothing(gunnjack once said that too, altho no to the same extent, but its similar) now with that, take tareq263 for example, there were no forum in his time of selection, so you wouldn't say he knew much, but look at him now, he's an Admin controller, even though with that background. Now can't that also happen with other normal users?

now you see what i was saying, and now your reply is...

mangoastalavista wrote:
Now that would be a walk in the park,but sorry life aint a park walk

..which means that the implications to it is that u are referring to 'tareq263 and the other admins from the first ever admin selection batch' as a "Walk in the park" for they didn't have this forum knowledge like we do now...Isn't that so?

mangoastalavista wrote:

trojan.exe wrote:tareq263 for example, there were no forum in his time of selection, so you wouldn't say he knew much, but look at him now, he's an Admin controller, even though with that background.

if tareq wouldn't have been selected,then someone else would have been..nothing special.. it had to start..tareq was quite lucky there

walk in the park and lucky...Thats what it is, when u get selected as admin by being judged on your chat history(coz i believe thats how th first batch got selected), is that what you are saying?
Now let us review the "lucky" and the "walk in the park" admins, how many of them got demoted? Not as many as on the ones who got selected for being Merchants, Forum staff, and ofcoz the "recommended ones". Thats all because they deserved and earned their adminship thus they have years as admins. Thats how it can be too, with normal users with a good chat history because they earned it not it being handed to them on a plate.

mangoastalavista wrote:

trojan.exe wrote:Now can't that also happen with other normal users?

Can everyone be bill gates??

...2 very different or irrelevant things u are comparing here my friend. Wat i was asking was whether "is that users don't now have the same characters that the first batch of admins had, when they got selected and deemed as suitable candidates for the admin posts" are there no users like that now? Seeing as the recruitment procedure changed this much? Thats what i was asking. But to answer u on your question, Why would you wanna be Bill Gates when you can be yourself or is it because of his money, God didn't make a mistake by making you not be Bill Gates. People with that mentality of wishing to be someone else are those who in the end end up worshiping people....

mangoastalavista wrote:Well sometimes,we've to accept the way it is..(you're exception) because you believe in protestins right from the word go,instead of acting smartly

So i'm acting foolishly and stupid... :-| seeing as your post insinuates that i'm acting the opposite of "smart"

mangoastalavista wrote:

trojan.exe wrote:"considering" would mean "giving them a fair chance too, as the ones that have been recommended by admins", Not "selecting them" but just "a fair chance" for them too...

Fair chance,btw the amount of users applying are so huge that if mig starts giving fair chance to every users,it'll be 2050 or may be more when the first admin will get appointed lol

so you are condoning this unfair treatment...

Anyways i would rather we not not turn this into a dispute between us, however for what its worth...You've earned my respect for your wise comments and guts to reply unlike some admins who just turn mute when users ask...

trojan.exe wrote:
2 very different or irrelevant things u are comparing here my friend. Wat i was asking was whether "is that users don't now have the same characters that the first batch of admins had, when they got selected and deemed as suitable candidates for the admin posts" are there no users like that now? Seeing as the recruitment procedure changed this much? Thats what i was asking. But to answer u on your question, Why would you wanna be Bill Gates when you can be yourself or is it because of his money, God didn't make a mistake by making you not be Bill Gates. People with that mentality of wishing to be someone else are those who in the end end up worshiping people....

you misinterpreted me again here,when i popped a question 'can everyone be bill gates?',i meant not everyone can..you need to get many things in your favour.. in order to be successful in life
and if you look at my last post,i've already said.. that 'being different is all what matters in todays world,if one needs to be successfull'
i never emphasized on everyone being bill gates,did i?

Of course,one needs to create his/her own identity in this world!

trojan.exe wrote:So i'm acting foolishly and stupid... :-| seeing as your post insinuates that i'm acting the opposite of "smart"

I also said,that you're agreesive(when i said that you like protestin)..whose opposite'll be to remain cool and calm,judging the situation and go ahead.. (this is what i call smartness)

trojan.exe wrote:
so you are condoning this unfair treatment...

ya,i've made that clear in my first post,you realized it late

cheers man!

enigma_1 wrote:
I should rather say you were very lucky to get appointed back even after your
application was rejected.

Well enigma,it was mig's fault.
I replied to that email within 48 hours,then too they said that i've not replied..
I forwarded the mails from my sent folder,and also the acknowledgement email which one receives after contacting mig to jean...
So i guess its my effort here,not luck

mangoastalavista wrote:

enigma_1 wrote:
I should rather say you were very lucky to get appointed back even after your
application was rejected.

Well enigma,it was mig's fault.
I replied to that email within 48 hours,then too they said that i've not replied..
I forwarded the mails from my sent folder,and also the acknowledgement email which one receives after contacting mig to jean...
So i guess its my effort here,not luck

effort may be from your count but bro we find it as luck....just c from how many ppl were u replied to with that contrast????

trojan.exe wrote:
Did you or did you not have recommendation? You did, whether it was in the end or begining...

Its the start which matters,without a beginning there is no end possible
Say for instance,if i would've got the recommendations in the earlier rounds,i would've been selected way earlier who knows
So the time one gets recommendations does matter man

trojan.exe wrote: i don't think they deserve.. please explain the underlined line

For example,you are the HR head of a firm,and your task is to select one of the two candidates coming in for interview
Now the first candidate just applies for the job,while the second one along with the application put in some additional effort(like he acquires some data about the firm,he gets in touch with other people from the firm,he gathers info on interview as in what kinda questions can be asked etc etc)
Now if i'm in place of you,ill definitely select the second candidate.. Because he showed that interest without which you can never succeed any task..
Wonder who you gonna select :?

trojan.exe wrote:and emailing contact@mig33.com every week applying, maintaining a good chat history is not effort...

Well many users having a good chat history applies,wat makes you different from the rest....And i think you're aware of the fact that 'when quantity is huge,its the quality which matters'

trojan.exe wrote:getting "admin friends or mig staff" so u can get "recommendation" is this effort we talking about.

You assume alot my friend,i call it as a help...
Everyone needs help,there's no one in this world who can say that 'he/she has succeeded on his/her own'

trojan.exe wrote:if you are being recommended you don't do any effort, you just login and await your interview because everything else is being handled by the person recommending you. Take for instance my dear Stimy's reply explaining about how she recommended foxyv, she just recommended her and Foxyv oblivious to this, she "did no effort", i bet all she saw was just being added by mig staff then the rest was hers...Where is this effort you are talking about? She made it to the interview(and passed) without any effort

Never say anything which you aren't sure of
Let me clear something here,we only recommend
After recommendations,its all in the mig teams hand...dunno what all assumptions have you made for the selection process

trojan.exe wrote:and yet u say those who mail everyday and private you frequently asking about how to be admin and details are "showing no effort"

explained already

trojan.exe wrote:now thats the advantage of having to quote someone

The main advantage can be taken only if you read in between the lines

trojan.exe wrote:Now if you were to review or read my previous posts on this topic thoroughly you would see that i'm speaking for users who do not know about forums nor have the contacts you had, in order for u to archive your goal. You would say, its better to hire someone with that knowledge of yours and also subscribe on forum than a person who knows nothing(gunnjack once said that too, altho no to the same extent, but its similar) now with that, take tareq263 for example, there were no forum in his time of selection, so you wouldn't say he knew much, but look at him now, he's an Admin controller, even though with that background. Now can't that also happen with other normal users?
now you see what i was saying, and now your reply is...

mangoastalavista wrote:
Now that would be a walk in the park,but sorry life aint a park walk

..which means that the implications to it is that u are referring to 'tareq263 and the other admins from the first ever admin selection batch' as a "Walk in the park" for they didn't have this forum knowledge like we do now...Isn't that so?

you got me right first time,if you ask the older admin,you'll find that they give credit to their luck for getting selected as an admin.. and for your info,freakitude was a good friend of crazygrape..By saying this,i won't take away freaki's dedication and hard work.. (he opened mig forum,thereby making mig users from all over the world to communicate and share their views)
He deserved it,about tareq and the rest.. i'm not sure of.. it must be pure luck..
And yes,the selection now is alot tougher then it was at that time..
Things were easier then,as one in thousand knew that mig is recruiting admins

trojan.exe wrote:when u get selected as admin by being judged on your chat history(coz i believe thats how th first batch got selected),

First batch,i think they selected the users who they judged.. it was quite random..

trojan.exe wrote:Now let us review the "lucky" and the "walk in the park" admins, how many of them got demoted? Not as many as on the ones who got selected for being Merchants, Forum staff, and ofcoz the "recommended ones". Thats all because they deserved and earned their adminship thus they have years as admins. Thats how it can be too, with normal users with a good chat history because they earned it not it being handed to them on a plate.

Already explained,the qualities one needs to be posses for being an admin..Good chat history is a common quality.. and a common quality can never earn you anything in your life..

Regards,
mangoastalavista

r0mz wrote:

mangoastalavista wrote:

enigma_1 wrote:
I should rather say you were very lucky to get appointed back even after your
application was rejected.

Well enigma,it was mig's fault.
I replied to that email within 48 hours,then too they said that i've not replied..
I forwarded the mails from my sent folder,and also the acknowledgement email which one receives after contacting mig to jean...
So i guess its my effort here,not luck

effort may be from your count but bro we find it as luck....just c from how many ppl were u replied to with that contrast????

its the combination of effort and luck both

mangoastalavista wrote:

r0mz wrote:

mangoastalavista wrote:

enigma_1 wrote:
I should rather say you were very lucky to get appointed back even after your
application was rejected.

Well enigma,it was mig's fault.
I replied to that email within 48 hours,then too they said that i've not replied..
I forwarded the mails from my sent folder,and also the acknowledgement email which one receives after contacting mig to jean...
So i guess its my effort here,not luck

effort may be from your count but bro we find it as luck....just c from how many ppl were u replied to with that contrast????

its the combination of effort and luck both

exactly wat wat was in my mind..... thanx